tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post1815307579307806177..comments2023-10-23T14:08:23.778-04:00Comments on Do these shoes match this purse?: What the hell are we thinking?Maggiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-48494619230546208582009-10-27T16:21:22.911-04:002009-10-27T16:21:22.911-04:00Wiley, thank you and thank you and yes. Ii bet we...Wiley, thank you and thank you and yes. Ii bet we could make millions! especially if it worked on kids AND men!<br /><br />Honey- I can see your point for sure and I do agree with most of what you said, I am still not ready to 100% blame the parents. I'm sure there are certainly parents of some kids who should be held accountable for their offspring's behavior, but I think as I watch these kids that their parents would be appalled at the behaviors of their children.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-23026496314510102412009-10-26T21:13:22.527-04:002009-10-26T21:13:22.527-04:00Unfortunately, kids are this way. It's not an...Unfortunately, kids are this way. It's not an excuse. It just is this way. It's not right. It all starts with the parents at home. Having taught middle school the last 2 years here in civilization and at a Catholic school to boot - I was appalled by the conduct of my students toward each other. The girls were bitches, gossiping little brats that when they didn't get their way, they would make shit up about the other person regardless if it was a student or teacher.<br /><br />The boys would bully along with the girls. They would also be sexually graphic in their talk and actions at time. So much for teaching abstinence in the school/church! They needed to learn about precautions because they definitely knew more than what I did at their age!<br /><br />But the whole thing boils down to the parents and their parenting ability/style. Today, many parents (not all but most) allow their students to rule the roost which breeds inconsiderate, irresponsible, intolerant little human beings. Parents need to step up to the plate and parent. They need to let their child know that this type of behavior is not tolerated/acceptable and that with each action there is a consequence for that behavior - it may not be immediate but down the road... they need to learn that karma's a bitch! And what goes around, comes around.<br /><br />But bottom line - parents need to parent instead of trying to be their child's BFF!Honeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704847409579624354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-8375838916054748732009-10-25T07:35:45.529-04:002009-10-25T07:35:45.529-04:00Maggie, major props for having the guts to make a ...Maggie, major props for having the guts to make a decision like this. I will say it sucks - you are exactly the kind of teacher kids need around. But I understand your motivations and you're also the kind of person who teaches regardless of their profession. Want to team up with me and create a vaccine for jerkdom?Wileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08054312958599233396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-18021199867592976792009-10-24T20:46:19.266-04:002009-10-24T20:46:19.266-04:00Anna- you go girl! I appreciate your sharing. An...Anna- you go girl! I appreciate your sharing. And i think it's great that your peers appreciated you- that is wonderful!<br /><br />And we MUST meet! If you come here to see Hecate, we should all meet for drinks!<br /><br />Shan- awwww shucks, you're welcome. Sometimes I get carried away. Gotta always help and fit it, ya know?<br /><br />You sure are in a pickle; if you have a child that has special needs, the by all means you should probably use what public schools can offer. <br /><br />One of my friends has a kiddo who has an IEP and I would NOT want to tangle with her because she is ALL OVER that school and teacher making sure it's followed to the letter. You just gotta do that, ya know?<br /><br />I wish there was another option other than high school and home schooling- something in the middle, like a Montessori school? I dunno...<br /><br />Mac said one sentence sums up the high school experience: "High school sucks." He's right.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-63686626983473821672009-10-24T11:58:13.771-04:002009-10-24T11:58:13.771-04:00Thank you for your input on that M.M! How sweet o...Thank you for your input on that M.M! How sweet of you to be willing to help with resources.<br /><br />I have read SO MANY books on home schooling over the years and used to joke that I sent my kids to school so that I'd have time to read about h.s.-ing. <br /><br />You are right I COULD do it if forced to organize my thoughts and schedule myself more. :) It wouldn't come naturally but we can do all kinds of things we never imagined for the sake of our kids.<br /><br />It is a very complicated issue with us because of the state funding and therapies we receive for our little one that's only available through public school. I'm trying to write a post about him but I don't really like to be so serious so it's hard to finish. ;)<br /><br />Our oldest has always thrived at school but I worry for his sweet little spirit now that he's a sixth grader and in middle school. The meanness has already reared its ugly head. <br /><br />My husband is not into home schooling partly because he thinks many we know are self involved and think they are above regular kids because of it. But some aren't and good grief WE wouldn't be. But I can get reclusive and that wouldn't be good for either of my kids. <br /><br />So it's a quandary and a pickle. But, I'm with you. I could do without these angry mean environments for my babes! :{Shanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04018721209690768151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-49098954202565135262009-10-24T09:34:51.871-04:002009-10-24T09:34:51.871-04:00I graduated in 1990. I wasn't bullied or picke...I graduated in 1990. I wasn't bullied or picked on but it was absolutely the same as it is now. I wasn't a bully either. I was pretty reserved and according to some of the students I was friend with all cliques which they all seemed to admire. This I found out during a psych class "experiment" where everyone put their name on top of a piece of paper and then it was passed around and each person wrote a line on what they thought of you or what they wanted to say. then folded down so the next couldn't read. I was amazed to find that those same people that were a part of the more elite cliques actually said they liked me because I was nice to everyone and wished they had taken the time to get to know me.<br /><br />but to be able to stay out of the rank/order/clique groupings is difficult and you're right once labeled you pretty much stay that unless you do something drastic.<br /><br />Also to keep your group happy and believing you are worthy of the popularity that comes with being with them you must bully people either verbally, emotionally or physically. <br /><br />I personally think high schools are mostly a joke with the idea that because they are no longer in grade school, that locking them up in a building all day together is best...it isn't.<br /><br />ok I must stop or this will be longer than your post if it isn't already. We'll have to meet sometime lolAnnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17118154472098618617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-47283969753645020572009-10-23T20:11:09.950-04:002009-10-23T20:11:09.950-04:00And Shan- first, you are more than capable of home...And Shan- first, you are more than capable of home schooling your kids- don't put yourself down! Because it would be in the best interest of your kids, you would make it happen.<br /><br />And if it's something you are seriously interested, you should check your state's department of Education web site to see the requirements of home schooling. You should also visit your local library and see if they have programs for home school kids. The library is also a good resource to find out about the existence of a local home schooling association which would open up controlled socialization situations, group outings, PE games, etc... <br /><br />I just thought I should share this info. I said I wanted to be part of a solution, so this made me feel like I at least had an answer. Email me if you want to know more! :)Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-7384104220870465012009-10-23T19:54:17.777-04:002009-10-23T19:54:17.777-04:00JE- kids are horrid. what is it about sticking the...JE- kids are horrid. what is it about sticking them all in a place together that makes this behavior come out AND be considered acceptable? I'm sorry you had to suffer that.<br /><br />Kelly- I certainly don't mind a long rant! =)<br /><br />I'm glad that you had some good high school but again, I'm so sorry that you had to suffer the cruelty of kids.<br /><br />I read an article about a university that did a psychological test, asking for university students to volunteer as the subjects. They were then divided into "prisoners" and "wardens". Within days, the "wardens" were torturing the "prisoners" and these were just ordinary college kids. I think that speaks volumes and is a valid parallel to what high school is like. (Well, not just high school, according to readers' comments!)<br /><br />And I should've said this in my post- but I'm not ready to blame parents or teachers. I'm flat out blaming the kids for their own behavior, and I'm blaming society for setting up this sort of situation.<br /><br />It feels very "Lord of the Flies" these days...<br /><br />And thanks for the kids words to Mac. He usually is a smartass about everything so the fact he just walked away proves to me how hurt he was.<br /><br />Shan- I hope you can figure out something that makes you, Hubby, and the boys happy. I've not been a huge fan of home schooling but I swear I'm starting to change my mind if it will save kids hurts.<br /><br />Thanks for the positives about Mac.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-87662506889719058742009-10-23T18:36:05.787-04:002009-10-23T18:36:05.787-04:00Because of these types of stories I start every ye...Because of these types of stories I start every year begging my hubby to let me home school. I think I would SUCK at it (given I have no idea how to be organized or timely) but Jr. high was like that for me. Totally scarring!!! I could have done without it entirely!!! High school was pretty good but by then the damage had been done to my poor little psyche. Oh, my second child will get it coming and going too. Then he'll want to blow the school up.<br /><br />Maybe when the hubby gets his next job who knows where, I'll be forced to home school for safety or something. On second thought that doesn't sound much better does it? (And I misspelled school the first time too-yikes.)<br /><br />Tell your fella we are proud of his response! She's not worth the words.Shanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04018721209690768151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-91669350830421968352009-10-23T17:36:59.407-04:002009-10-23T17:36:59.407-04:00I'm so sorry for Mac for having to deal with t...I'm so sorry for Mac for having to deal with that. However, I really think each school's situation is different. Some schools seem to just have more positive environments than others - at least that's how my experience was back in the 80s and 90s. It was a long time ago, so maybe the majority of schools have been affected by this attitude since then, versus just a certain percentage. <br /><br />I loved high school - but only my last two years. The first two were spent at a local Catholic school where the girls were complete bitches to the girls who didn't come from money. <br /><br />The last two were spent at the nearby public high school, which was in a very blue collar area. The kids there were so much nicer and more accepting. I never saw excessive bullying there. <br /><br />Grade school, on the other hand, was HELL for me. I got physically and verbally assaulted on a daily basis, because I was the "fat, ugly, dorky" girl. Like the first high school, this was a Catholic school. <br /><br />Based on my own experiences, I always assumed that Catholic school students were jerks. However, I've spoken with folks who've had the OPPOSITE experience. <br /><br />I would love to think that schools' student cultures are all different, and not that this has become the norm *everywhere*, but perhaps that's the case. <br /><br />At any rate, I'm so sorry for Mac, and he's lucky he has you to remind him of how much better he is than that. <br /><br />Sorry for the lengthy rant. =)Kelly G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04499402437429522557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-17907991078665298852009-10-23T10:08:29.149-04:002009-10-23T10:08:29.149-04:00I know how Mac felt. I had the worst case of acne...I know how Mac felt. I had the worst case of acne in the school all during my high school years. My peers were extremely cruel to me. The stares, name calling, ignoring me like I wasn't there, and snickering behind my back. AND, that was 45+ years ago. Times haven't changed much, have they? Very cool of Mac to just walk away. He IS the better person.<br />Daddy-OJimmie Earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06117301181626973474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-14391060087928939402009-10-23T09:16:45.000-04:002009-10-23T09:16:45.000-04:00Anon- first, thank you for taking time to comment ...Anon- first, thank you for taking time to comment and for sharing something so personal.<br /><br />I think what's happening to your son is horrendous. I'm sure as a parent you've done everything legally possible to fix this, short of yanking your child out of school, so I won't even bother dispensing the "if it were me, I would...".<br /><br />I have no idea what is going on that makes kids act this way. I know not ALL kids are terrible, but it seems the more I work with students, the more I see that MOST are horrid, evil, mean creatures.<br /><br />I'm sorry for your pain.<br /><br />And thanks for the interesting article link. I read it and while I'm not sure I agree with him completely, he sure does give some food for thought.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-84666643388390675332009-10-23T09:10:20.840-04:002009-10-23T09:10:20.840-04:00Curley- it's funny you said that because as Ma...Curley- it's funny you said that because as Mac told me this, he also told me he didn't want me to be all "mom" and tell him "mom" things. When he got done telling me, and told me he walked away I told him he was a better person than I because I would've said to her: "Well, I might be fat but I can always lose weight. you're a bitch and will stay one forever." and then walked away.<br /><br />He told me that was very un-mom like of me- and he smiled.<br /><br />I know that wasn't probably the best response in the world but letting him know I wanted to rip her head off wasn't good either.Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01283944377017377125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-42481336038194723042009-10-23T09:06:57.082-04:002009-10-23T09:06:57.082-04:00And I suppose this little "tart" was a p...And I suppose this little "tart" was a perfect size 2? You know you can change your outward apperance, but most "stupid and rude people" are stupid and rude till the grave. Unfortunately our society puts too much emphasis on looks.Curleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14670892568607136493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8883281516588008936.post-43541803907269679312009-10-23T07:28:09.984-04:002009-10-23T07:28:09.984-04:00Here it starts at 5th grade and continues. Here in...Here it starts at 5th grade and continues. Here in my upscale, high test score, best sports around town, the kiss bully, torture, and hurt my son daily. The Christian kids ask him to kill himself! This was a mess because we are Christian too and it really hurt coming from a child whos parents are "Christian leaders".<br />And don't even get me started on sportsmanship. The football/ wresting kids are BRUTAL and get away with it. Where the Hell are these parents? In all honesty the worst has happened grade k-12 here........<br /><br />I wish the parents could be held accountable for turning a blind eye and the same with the school staff.<br /><br />Have you ever read this?<br />Its a MUST read.<br />http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com